Tuesday 27 December 2005

#8 The Ultimate Quagmire || t r u t h o u t - Pepe Escobar

t r u t h o u t - Pepe Escobar | The Ultimate Quagmire: "No wonder military historian Martin van Creveld, a professor at the Hebrew University in Jerusalem and the only non-American author on the Pentagon's list of required reading for officers, called for Bush to be impeached and put on trial 'for misleading the American people, and launching the most foolish war since Emperor Augustus in 9 BC sent his legions into Germany and lost them'.

Bush and his faithful ally, British Prime Minister Tony Blair, have been playing the same scratched CD track: 'We're better off now without Saddam.' That is not true. The fall of Saddam led to the rise of al-Qaeda in the Land of the Two Rivers; and even Allawi admitted that human rights in Iraq now are no better than under Saddam. Not to mention that there is no reconstruction, unemployment is at 70%, and a country which in the late 1980s had one of the highest standards of living in the Arab world has been razed to a sub-Saharan level."

Whatever the Americans do - with "Iraqification" doomed to failure, as much as "Vietnamization" - the war in Iraq now is a rampaging beast that threatens to spill all over the Middle East.

"Bring 'em on," said Bush, and they did; the result is a new, deadly generation of global jihadis. Sunni-Shi'ite antagonism will spill over to oil-rich Sunni Gulf states (including Saudi Arabia) with huge but heavily marginalized Shi'ite populations. Kurdish separatist dreams have tremendous implications for Turkey, Syria and Iran, especially if Iraq, through civil war, finally disintegrates.

So the most probable scenario for 2006 and beyond is a fragile central government in Baghdad bombarded by an intractable guerrilla movement - a chaotic and sectarian hornets' nest breeding one, 10, 100 mini (or maxi) al-Qaeda leaders able to convulse the Middle East. Maybe this is what the neo-cons meant by "creative destruction".

Al-Qaeda has a masterplan for the Middle East, and the next stages - apart from the Gulf emirates - are to be played in vulnerable Jordan, Turkey, Egypt and even Israel. As for the air war against the Sunni Arab resistance, it may buy a few votes at home but will do absolutely nothing to improve America's dreadful image in the Middle East - especially because civilian "collateral damage" will be enormous.

That Bearded, Vociferous Guy

Saddam's trial - the outcome of which is already determined - will proceed as a purely sectarian propaganda coup. If this were a real trial, Saddam would be in The Hague in front of an international panel of respected judges, experts in human rights law.

Or the United Nations would have been commissioned to organize a special tribunal in a neutral country like Switzerland. Saddam's secrets, though, are so vast - and so extremely embarrassing for the US - that he cannot possibly leave the Green Zone, where he will certainly be executed. Saddam's trial will become the sorry mirror image of the sectarian politics let loose in Iraq at large.

Bush has opened a Pandora's box with his shock and awe tactics. The ultimate quagmire will keep mutating and unleashing its deadly new powers for years on end. And there is nothing anyone - not even the "indispensable nation" - can do about it. We have all been, and will remain, shocked and awed.

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Is "Freethinker" Synonymous with Nontheist?

Is "Freethinker" Synonymous with Nontheist?: "At this point, I can imagine the reaction of most nontheists: 'I agree with you that a theist can be a freethinker, but a theist would have to be liberal in order to be a freethinker. An Evangelical Christian definitely could not be a freethinker.' According to this line of argument, an Evangelical Christian is someone who accepts (among other things) the inspiration of Scripture, including its passages which have implications for the epistemology of the believer. Thus, Evangelical Christians are supposed to 'Lean not on [their] own understanding' (Proverbs 3:5) and 'take captive every thought to make it obedient to Christ' (2 Cor. 10:5).[2] This point is well-taken. Anyone who attempts to obey Biblical passages such as these cannot be a freethinker, though a person as a freethinker could become an Evangelical Christian (and, ironically, cease to be a freethinker)."

.../... Freethought is an epistemology, one that is incompatible with an Evangelical worldview.

That Evangelicals cannot be freethinkers is confirmed by leading Evangelical scholars themselves. For example, in addressing the 'problem' of doubt, theologian William Lane Craig writes:

It is unbiblical to think of doubt as a virtue; to the contrary, doubt is always portrayed in the Scriptures as something detrimental to spiritual life. Doubt never builds up; it always destroys.[3]
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.../... end/ [7] I am well aware that I have been writing about "freethought" (1 word) whereas Russell was discussing "free thought" (2 words). But I deny that there is (or should be) a distinction between the two terms; it is too awkward. For if we maintain there is such a distinction, imagine having to say the following sentence in conversation:

A theist can be a "free thinker" about the existence of God but not a "freethinker."

I submit that this is precisely the sort of semantical quibbling that has given nontheists a bad name. We should therefore treat "free thought" and "freethought" as synonymous.

[9] However, even if one defines 'freethinker' so as to allow theists, there is a deeper, epistemological issue that needs to be explored: namely, whether reason is the only adequate grounds for belief. As Daniel Howard-Snyder pointed out in private correspondence, a belief may be justified on some other basis than reason and yet not conflict with reason. The Freedom From Religion Foundation (FFRF) definition of 'freethinker' rules out such justification; in contrast, the CFA definition seems to allow the possibility that experience is a source of warranted, justified belief. This is a significant point because many theists base their religious beliefs on perceptual evidence, not reason.

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Miracles From the Darkness: Medicine and Prayer
...or Where Have All the Scientists Gone?

by Gil Gaudia

"No testimony is sufficient to establish a miracle, unless the testimony be of such a kind, that its falsehood would be more miraculous, than the fact, which it endeavours to establish ..."
- David Hume, An Enquiry Concerning Human Understanding

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Good Morning America commentator (among others), who stated, "A new study on the power of prayer over pregnancy reports surprising results ..."[3]

When it was eventually discovered that this study (and its three lead investigators and writers) were frauds, this hoax had already been frequently reported on by the print media, including The New York Times and newspapers worldwide. I am not aware of any retractions or corrections by the aforementioned "scientific reporters," although there may well have been. Columbia University has been accused of "covering up" the hoax, and Dr. Bruce Flamm, a leading critic of the Columbia University study, is--understandably--indignant. He says:

In my opinion, the cover-up continues. The amazing results of the absurd study will remain posted on the JRM Internet site to be cited by others as strong scientific evidence for the supernatural healing power of distant prayer. This is a scientific atrocity.[4]

Here is an example of the ferocious power of fanaticism, akin to that of anti-West Muslim antagonists, and as such it must be thwarted from invading the domain of science.

Even if this study had not been fabricated, its legitimacy would nevertheless be questionable. The researchers would eventually have had to connect their results in theory with other known and accepted biological, chemical and physical laws.[5] Otherwise--even if replicated many times--it would still have to be considered "miraculous" and thereby be subject to David Hume's admonition, "no testimony is sufficient to establish a miracle, unless the testimony be of such a kind, that its falsehood would be more miraculous, than the fact, which it endeavours to establish ..."[6] which is why the Columbia study is relegated to the trash bin of science.

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Science and its most important applied profession, medicine, seem to be succumbing to a tsunami of irrational thinking that is threatening to drown the country. The trigger seems to have been the destruction of the World Trade Center towers, and the fear, grief and need for comfort that accompanied it. But whenever it began, supernatural zeal, in all of its manifestations, is reaching tidal-wave proportions in the United States.

.../... ...Prayer is being touted as the great cure-all, now sadly even by some scientists and "medical experts" including psychologists, who in deference to the pressures from the religious right, proclaim that prayer aids in healing or longevity. Since many intelligent and rational people pray, perhaps it is possible for them to explain to a skeptic like me how it all works.

The scientific community should shed its image as timid, professorial thinkers and become militant vocal advocates of sanity who have had enough nonsense from theistic extremists who believe that the systematic universe of Newton-Galileo-Einstein is controlled by the bearded guy-in-the-sky who operates on whimsy. Superstition in all its forms, and that includes religion, has no place in science or scientific studies, especially medical studies.

Theists claim knowledge of and access to a supernatural world outside of the legitimate domain of science, which is the natural world. They claim that the forces and materials of the natural world are subordinate to and cannot affect this "other world"; cannot understand this unnatural or supernatural world; yet they demand that their world's processes be allowed to cross the barrier--in both directions (e.g., prayer)--to influence and change the material phenomena of our natural world. They cannot have it both ways. Either empirical methods apply or they don't, and if they do not then why are empiricists trying to investigate nonempirical matters?

The answer was posited half a millennium ago by Desiderius Erasmus, "They are looking in utter darkness for that which has no existence whatsoever."


Notes:

[1] Lundberg, G.D., "Evidence Based Medicine Or Faith Based Medicine?" Medscape General Medicine, 2004, December 10

[2] Cha, K.Y., Wirth, D.P, Lobo, R.A., "Does Prayer Influence the Success of In Vitro Fertilization-embryo transfer?" Journal of Reproductive Medicine, 2001; 46:781-787

[3] Johnson, T., "Praying For Pregnancy: Study Says Prayer Helps Women Get Pregnant," ABC Television Good Morning America, October 4, 2001

[4] Flamm, B.L., "Faith healing by prayer: Review of Cha, K.Y.; Wirth, D.P.; Lobo, R.A.; 'Does prayer influence the success of in vitro fertilization-embryo transfer?'" Sci Review Alt Med, 2002; 6(1):47-50.

[5] Campbell, D.T. and Stanley, J.C., Experimental and Quasi-Experimental Designs for Research, Boston, MA Houghton Mifflin Co., 1963

[6] Hume, David, An Enquiry Concerning Human Understanding, Oxford: Clarendon Press, 1902, pp. 114-116

[7] The Bible, Matt 12:40

[8] The Bible, Mark 8:31

[9] McKinsey, C.D., The Encyclopedia of Biblical Errancy, Prometheus Books, pp. 89-95 (For discussion of numerous Biblical references of resurrections that occurred before and after Jesus.)

Beyond the Imperial Presidency

http://atrios.blogspot.com/

Beyond the Imperial Presidency

Chapman:


President Bush is a bundle of paradoxes. He thinks the scope of the federal government should be limited but the powers of the president should not. He wants judges to interpret the Constitution as the framers did, but doesn't think he should be constrained by their intentions.

He attacked Al Gore for trusting government instead of the people, but he insists anyone who wants to defeat terrorism must put absolute faith in the man at the helm of government.

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But the theory boils down to a consistent and self-serving formula: What's good for George W. Bush is good for America, and anything that weakens his power weakens the nation. To call this an imperial presidency is unfair to emperors.

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The government easily could have gotten search warrants to conduct electronic surveillance of anyone with the slightest possible connection to terrorists. The court that handles such requests hardly ever refuses. But Bush bridles at the notion that the president should ever have to ask permission of anyone.

He claims he can ignore the law because Congress granted permission when it authorized him to use force against Al Qaeda. But we know that can't be true. Atty. Gen. Alberto Gonzales says the administration didn't ask for a revision of the law to give the president explicit power to order such wiretaps because Congress--a Republican Congress, mind you--wouldn't have agreed. So the administration decided: Who needs Congress?

What we have now is not a robust executive but a reckless one. At times like this, it's apparent that Cheney and Bush want more power not because they need it to protect the nation, but because they want more power. Another paradox: In their conduct of the war on terror, they expect our trust, but they can't be bothered to earn it.


-Atrios 9:58 AM

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NSA Data Mining Much Larger Than Reported || RR is Rancid not Righteous

NSA Data Mining Much Larger Than Reported: "Re:For the security of the many..
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by hey! (33014) Alter Relationship on Saturday December 24, @09:51PM (#14334537)
(http://kamthaka.blogspot.com/ | Last Journal: Wednesday March 30, @02:18PM)
'Better a little with righteousness than much gain with injustice'
- Proverbs 16:8

I have been told that the Hebrew word that is usually translated as 'righteousness' has another, overlooked sense: 'objectivity'. It is one thing to say, for example, that giving alms to the poor is righteous. However what makes charity righteous is that objectively the needs of others sometimes exceeds their resources, while at the same time our resources may exceed our needs. The 'unrighteous' handles the misfortunes of the needy through wishful thinking: they must be unlucky because they are bad. Indeed, it would be a wonderful world where the good are rich and the wicked are poor. However, a righteous person lives in the world as it is not as he wishes it to be.

When I was young, we were taught that as part of our baptismal vows we had to 'reject the glamour of evil.' This is a curious choice of words. 'Glamour' is an archaic English word which means a kind of magical illusion. It's saying the same thing: to live righteously, we must reject illusion that the world is place where good served by our indulging our infantile and selfish impulses.

We most commonly act unrighteously out of unjustified fear. Fear of death and misfortune. What makes the fear unjustified is that objectively speaking these things inevitably must come to us. It is not our choice. But objectively it is our choice to live in freedom. Therefore what we should fear most is the loss of liberty.

It's not that what the Bush adminstration is doing is wrong. Indeed the kind of analysis described in this article is very important in detecting an imminent terrorist attack. No, the"
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Re:Some credit is due
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by morcego (260031) * Alter Relationship on Saturday December 24, @10:06PM (#14334588)
(http://slashdot.org/)
Humm, we didn't have any terrorists attack in Brazil since 9/11 either, but that doesn't mean it is because of the NSA actions.

Do you know of any attack attempt that was stopped by NSA, Homeland Security or any of the other agencies ? Isn't it just as possible that the terrorists are not trying to attack the USA, maybe because the current state of terror is just what they wanted ?

I mean, considering how important popular support is for a government, it is to be expected the moment they actually stopped an attack, they would brag about it, so I don't buy the "oh, they did stop, but it is a big secret" talk.
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Re:Use what?
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by laughingcoyote (762272) Alter Relationship
o
.../... Same applies to your communications. Would you be entirely comfortable with your speech over the phone if you knew someone was always listening? I don't want someone tapping into my phones. Once again, if they'd like to go get a warrant, tap away-and until then, stay out.

"If you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear" has been used by totalitarian regimes to justify their actions this world over. And yet, it keeps on getting said, by people just like you.

How about we turn that around? The US government is supposed to work in a means that is as transparent as possible to the American people, as it should be. If they've got nothing to hide, they can quit taking so damn many of their actions in secret. They can tell us why hundreds of people are detained without a trial at one of our military bases. They can tell us why they're intercepting communications without telling us-and surely, they can tell us what good that's done so far.

After all, if they've got nothing to hide, they've got nothing to fear from us having a look.
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When a piece of the PATRIOT Act goes down in flames, a piece of the Constitution returns from the ash.
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The people over at Ars Technica have a great little article about this whole fiasco concerning the wiretapping of US citizens without a warrent...

http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20051220-5808 .html [arstechnica.com]

From the article:
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http://www.correntewire.com/the_network_architecture_of_treason

The network architecture of treason

[it’s nice to be right.]

By carefully examining how Republicans parse their statements about Bush’s warrantless, openly felonious, and treasonous[1] domestic surveillance program, and combining that with network engineering knowledge available through open sources, alert reader philosophicus has advanced our understanding of the NSA surveillance system Bush set up.

Long story short: (1) Internet surveillance is Bush’s goal, not voice calls; (2) the Republican “wiretap” talking point is a diversion, to voice, away from from Internet surveillance; (3) Bush’s domestic surveillance system would pose no engineering challenges whatever to NSA. No rocket science—or tinfoil hats—required.

In a future installment of this series, we’ll look at the text mining component of this program, assess its impact, and see whether it’s going to work (no). Read on:

[Portions of part 1 were originally published on Talk Left (with many good comments), and mentioned here, and implicitly here; links have been added here. Parts 2 and 3 are new. The indented portions of what follows are from philosphicus; the unindented framing is from Corrente. We solicit your feedback.]

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How to cope?

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by sglider (648795) Alter Relationship on Saturday December 24, @08:50PM (#14334341)
(http://www.sglider.net/)
How can we as the American people cope with a President that doesn't even acknowledge [mcall.com] that what he's doing is illegial? How can we further cope with a Congress that hasn't already 'stopped the presses' by calling for immediate hearings on the matter? I don't mean hearings next week, or next month. I want hearings now. This is a grave threat to our liberties, and I want it addressed right now.

Of course, this President speaks [whitehouse.gov] about 'freedom [wikipedia.org]', but does 'freedom' include not being able to openly discuss laws and policies [cnn.com]?

Oh, and the 'fanboy' contingent that believes that civil liberties must be curtailed in a time of conflict need not reply, because I'm not listening, and I doubt [blueoregon.com] Thomas Jefferson would listen to it either.
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Liberty in Our Lifetime [freestateproject.org]
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Yes, you, the voter. You've allowed this to happen in every vote you made for an authoritarian politician -- I can name ONE that has followed their oath (Dr. Ron Paul of Texas http://house.gov/paul [house.gov] )----
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Modern USA

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by gorehog (534288) Alter Relationship on Saturday December 24, @08:55PM (#14334356)
I love living in the USA controlled by monied interests and the Republican party. They foster such an honest, compassionate, and responsible atmosphere for civil discourse.

Torture, lying, spying on citizens, the list of crimes Bush is responsible for goes on and on. Would someone give this guy a blowjob already so we can impeach him?
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War isn't about who's right. It's about who's left.
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Liberty in Our Lifetime [freestateproject.org]
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Yes, you, the voter. You've allowed this to happen in every vote you made for an authoritarian politician -- I can name ONE that has followed their oath (Dr. Ron Paul of Texas http://house.gov/paul [house.gov] )----
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Modern USA

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by gorehog (534288) Alter Relationship on Saturday December 24, @08:55PM (#14334356)
I love living in the USA controlled by monied interests and the Republican party. They foster such an honest, compassionate, and responsible atmosphere for civil discourse.

Torture, lying, spying on citizens, the list of crimes Bush is responsible for goes on and on. Would someone give this guy a blowjob already so we can impeach him?
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War isn't about who's right. It's about who's left.
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Liberty in Our Lifetime [freestateproject.org]
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Yes, you, the voter. You've allowed this to happen in every vote you made for an authoritarian politician -- I can name ONE that has followed their oath (Dr. Ron Paul of Texas http://house.gov/paul [house.gov] )----
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Modern USA

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by gorehog (534288) Alter Relationship on Saturday December 24, @08:55PM (#14334356)
I love living in the USA controlled by monied interests and the Republican party. They foster such an honest, compassionate, and responsible atmosphere for civil discourse.

Torture, lying, spying on citizens, the list of crimes Bush is responsible for goes on and on. Would someone give this guy a blowjob already so we can impeach him?
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by NZheretic (23872) Alter Relationship on Saturday December 24, @09:34PM (#14334479)
(Last Journal: Tuesday April 27, @11:06PM)
From The Mass Media as Fourth Estate [ndirect.co.uk]:
The term fourth estate is frequently attributed to the nineteenth century historian Carlyle, though he himself seems to have attributed it to Edmund Burke:
Burke said there were Three Estates in Parliament; but, in the Reporters' Gallery yonder, there sat a Fourth Estate more important than they all. It is not a figure of speech, or a witty saying; it is a literal fact, .... Printing, which comes necessarily out of Writing, I say often, is equivalent to Democracy: invent Writing, Democracy is inevitable. ..... Whoever can speak, speaking now to the whole nation, becomes a power, a branch of government, with inalienable weight in law-making, in all acts of authority. It matters not what rank he has, what revenues or garnitures: the requisite thing is that he have a tongue which others will listen to; this and nothing more is requisite.
The mainstream media has failed to hold either side accountable for claims that diverge widely from the known facts [blogspot.com]. The inevitable result is a current administration that, like Nixon, believes it is above the law.
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Here are a couple of links about it. Hell, one of them is from Wikipedia...


by nbahi15 (163501) Alter Relationship on Saturday December 24, @10:02PM (#14334578)
(http://cameronpalmer.com/)

I know that it is typical for the Slashdot libertarian crowd to have an aversion, almost knee-jerk reaction, to any privacy related issue, we Slashdot liberals feel the same. Bush has once again crossed the line, but as a neo-pinko liberal I am not surprised, I am not even particularly annoyed. My disgust with the United States and its inability to provide an open inclusive society runs far deeper than this single incident. I am annoyed with Missle Defense, drilling in ANWR, Intelligent Design, pro-life, pro-death penalty, secret prisons, prisoner abuse, tying iraq to terror, no child left behind, get tough on immigration, get tough on crime, christian coalition, anti-welfare, anti-healthcare, anti-gun control, pro-business, anti-environment, crap. Really the entire political dialogue of the so-called United States has been broken for years, and Bush certainly doesn't see anything less than absolute god-granted carte blanche on the war on terror. Remember this guy doesn't answer to the voter, he answers to god. So my question is when can we vote on the new constitution, because I feel that I am the one living in Iraq, but I don't have the excuse of invasion?
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Boiling this down.

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by blair1q (305137) Alter Relationship on Saturday December 24, @10:20PM (#14334634)
(Last Journal: Thursday October 17, @09:28AM)
In other words, they didn't just tap the phones of a few people.

They invaded the privacy of EVERY person in the country.

Rather than provide leadership and encourage us to cooperate with each other as a society, they've chosen the route of paranoia, secrecy, and tyranny.
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Re:Why I hate my country

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by DrJimbo (594231) * Alter Relationship on Sunday December 25, @12:00AM (#14334943)
anon said:
You can bitch and whine all you want, but I sleep more comfortably at night knowing that our military machine is actively trying to kill everyone who beheads westerners for the glory of their god.
On the off chance you actually mean what you say, I will respond.

The execution of westerners in Iraq started only after the USA invaded Iraq for no good reason. Confirmed counts of Iraqi civilian deaths due the invasion range from 27,000 to over 30,000 [iraqbodycount.org]. Estimates of the total number of Iraqi civilians killed are over 100,000.

If foreigners invaded the USA for no good reason and kept the USA under military occupation and killed tens or hundreds of thousands of innocent US civilians, don't you think there would be some reprisals against the invaders?

I am not saying that the executions in Iraq are justified. All deliberate killing is terrible. But are the executions of westerners any worse than the killing of Iraqi civilians?

And your answer to all this killing that makes you sleep more comfortably at night is to kill more Iraqis? Thank goodness only a few Iraqis (the ones committing the executions) think like you do and feel more comfortable knowing people are trying to kill Americans.

Here is a radical idea. The USA has undisputed military dominance over the rest of the world. We spend way more, we have way more nukes, we are better at killing than any other country on Earth. This means we are in a better position to stop killing. So let's just stop killing. Today, or more fitting (depending on your timezone), tomorrow.

Let's pull out of the countries we are occupying as quickly as we can without being foolish about it. Let's remove our military bases from the Middle East. Let's divert some of our military budget (say 10% for starters) to helping provide basic necessities to the poorer parts of the world. While we're at it, let's stop torturing people and stop jailing people indefinitely without charge or recourse to the court system.

If people getting killed is the problem then killing people is not the solution. Killing people is never the solution.

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Perhaps its time to remember this quote, which speaks a timeless truth:

"Beware the leader who bangs the drums of war in order to whip the citizenry into a patriotic fervor, for patriotism is indeed a double-edged sword. It both emboldens the blood, just as it narrows the mind. And when the drums of war have reached a fever pitch and the blood boils with hate and the mind has closed, the leader will have no need in seizing the rights of the citizenry. Rather, the citizenry, infused with fear and blinded by patriotism, will offer up all of their rights unto the leader and gladly so. How do I know? For this is what I have done, and I am Caesar."

-Julius Caesar

Java or C# as a Next Language?

Learning Java or C# as a Next Language?


Re:Just Pick One and Learn it Well
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by ForumTroll (900233) Alter Relationship < > on Friday December 23, @07:54PM (#14330262)
I use Eclipse more than Netbeans so let me give a few examples from an Eclipse developer's point of view. Note that some of these issues may have been addressed as it was a while ago when I looked at Visual C# Express. Also, remember I'm talking only about the *free* Visual C# Express and not Visual Studio.

* Obviously, unlike Visual C# Express, Eclipse is free and comes with no restrictions.
* Eclipse is open source, so it's far easier for developers to customize and build a platform around.
* Due to the way Eclipse is structured it's very easy to write plug-ins and because of that Eclipse has a very long list of available plug-ins. Plug-ins exist for practically everything a programmer would normally require. Not only does Visual C# Express not have plug-ins but it doesn't even have macro capabilities.
* Eclipse has far better refactoring capabilities. It makes it very easy to restructure your code, and it can handle the vast majority of the details (renaming, extracting interfaces, encapsulating fields etc.) itself with no worries.
* If you're programming in Java, Eclipse's code assist can be linked to the source code and the documentation for not just the standard library but ANY library that the project uses. IIRC, you can do this with Visual C# Express but it's a pain in the ass and it makes you jump through hoops for everything other than the standard library. In Eclipse, this feature is also available for other languages through plug-ins. Another thing that sucked about Visual C# Express was that the code assist would only show one option at a time so you would have to scroll through the list one by one.
* Eclipse also has a wonderful Javadoc engine which can make writing good Javadocs extremely simple and less time consuming.
* The code formatter in Visual C# Express sucks and it's not consistent enough that it can be used on large projects. I like to check out my project from SVN and use the code formatter to make the code appear in the style I would prefer. Then before checking the project back in, use another code formatter template to make sure the code that enters the repository in one uniform style. Not only is the Eclipse formatter extremely consistent but it's also is very easy to switch between templates and has nice simple hot keys.
* Regardless of the language, it's much easier to change compilers/interpreters with Eclipse and it supports many more compilers/interpreters.
* Eclipse has built in CVS AND SVN support while Visual C# Express has no source control integration built in.
* I can use Eclipse with a large number of different languages and still continue to use many of the features.
* Eclipse can be used for building, testing and running Web applications with a number of different server architectures.
* Eclipse uses ant as the standard for building projects. It also has nice configuration utilities for monitoring the execution of a build file, and for creating/modifying a build files.
* Eclipse has excellent JUnit integration which makes testing your code easier, while Visual C# Express has no unit testing integration at all.
* Eclipse has very nice database integration plug-ins available. Including plug-ins that generate diagrams, UML etc.
* Eclipse has good support for Hibernate/Spring/Struts/JSF and a variety of other popular frameworks.
* Eclipse has superior debugging support for a wide array of debuggers. Note that I said "support for a wide array of debuggers". Debugging in Visual C# Express, from what I saw in my brief experience with it, is actually very well done and maybe on par (or even possibly better) than Eclipse.
* Eclipse has better hot keys. Simple refactoring operations almost always have convenient "what you would expect" hot keys.
* Eclipse has navigational hyperlinks that I can use without touching the mouse.
* Visual C# Express doesn't have any support for remote debugging.
* Visual C# Express doesn't have any support for mobile development.
* I can use Eclipse on any of the major platforms and not just Windows.
* Eclipse doesn't ask me to register or sign up for anything.
* Eclipse is not made by Microsoft.


I'm sure there's more too. Some of these points may be outdated and if so please point it out. However for me, the fact that Visual C# Express is only available for Windows removes it from being an option all together.
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"If you can speak of technical things only in technical terms, you do not understand them."- Albert Einstein

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It's good advice...
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by Da VinMan (7669) Alter Relationship on Friday December 23, @05:27PM (#14329588)
I've got 8+ years MS tools based experience and 2+ years with Java (and some Python and Ruby thrown in for good measure), and I would totally agree. Neither C# or Java is perfect. They're both strongly typed, proprietary, virtual machine environments. Neither one is true open source (despite the rich set of open source applications developing around both). And neither one is appreciably better or more powerful than the other across the board.

The question comes down to economics (which one do you know you'll be able to get a job using) and preference (which tool set do you like better Visual Studio 2003 or {Eclipse | JDeveloper | JBuilder | IntelliJ | NetBeans | WSAD | ?}). You have to go with the one that meets those two criteria. Neither choice is bad and no one gets fired for choosing either of the two.

Oh, and fer-cryin-out-loud: don't choose something because you think it will make someone else happy or make you seem more "uber geeky" or whatever. Just do it for you and the rest will follow. And whatever you may think now, you are NOT married to this choice. That "wall" that everyone seems to imagine between Java vs. .NET is not a real technical barrier; just a cultural one.
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Java is more credible as a cross platform language
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by cryfreedomlove (929828) Alter Relationship on Friday December 23, @03:36PM (#14328864)
C# was invented for one reason: locking sytems into a windows deployment. There are some attempts to port C#, but those efforts don't have 10% of the current momentum that java has from a large community of both corporations and volunteer open source contributors.

Java on the other hand is a cross platform environment supported by multiple competing vendors. That will leave you more nimble to develop and deploy on a wide variety of systems. There are great JVM's available from Sun, BEA, IBM and others. There are several great commercial and open source implementations of java servlet containers. Can C# really say the samr thing?-------
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My two cents...
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by Savage-Rabbit (308260) Alter Relationship on Friday December 23, @04:33PM (#14329295)
Java on the other hand is a cross platform environment supported by multiple competing vendors. That will leave you more nimble to develop and deploy on a wide variety of systems. There are great JVM's available from Sun, BEA, IBM and others. There are several great commercial and open source implementations of java servlet containers. Can C# really say the samr thing?

I agree, Java is the only truly cross platfrom alternative despite the fact that C#/.NET is being implemented on non Microsoft platforms, Java will remain the only really usable cross platform alternative for some time to come. That being said there are still white patches in the standard Java class libraries; like RS232 support for example which, surprise, surprise, is still widely used. The last time I looked this was only implemented for Sun and Linux but not Windows, OS.X and other OS'es (you had to install a special third party implementation of the standard RS232 interface from Sun). Although I like C# better than Java for a number of reasons I still wouldn't rely upon C# for cross platform application development which is something I see as an essential capability to have for any future software product that can afford it performance wise. I would only start implementing something in C/C++ if I really needed close control over memory usage, the ability to do heavy duty performance tuning etc. For anything else it really just pays (money wise) to throw hardware at the problem and develop in Java or C#. But since the .NET implementations for the various OS'es will be developed by different parties (Microsoft, Nowell/Ximian etc...) rather than a being largely developed and/or coordinated by one party (Sun) like Java plus I wouldn't put it past Microsoft to use dirty tricks to make sure that .NET will always be more stable on Windows than other platforms.
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Definitely Java
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by Anonymous Coward on Friday December 23, @03:36PM (#14328870)
Mono is a complete non-starter. Check out how RedHat engineers now have a natively compiled Eclipse running, that also has stubs into Glade development. Check out this demo:

http://overholt.ca/wp/index.php?p=11 [overholt.ca]
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by iabervon (1971) Alter Relationship on Friday December 23, @03:52PM (#14328995)
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The language changes in Java 5 are sufficiently significant that they eliminate most of the ways Java was awkward up to that point. Actually using the earlier versions involves a whole lot of annoying kludges which make it unnecessarily hard to learn and use. I think that Java is a better design overall, but they're similar enough that you may as well learn whichever has a more expressive version being taught at your school.
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Client or server side software?

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by kjeldahl (65177) Alter Relationship on Friday December 23, @03:59PM (#14329041)
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Depending on what kind of software you want to write, and for which platform, you might want to factor in whether you are going to develop client-side or server-side software. My personal opinion is that very few Java based client application feel native to any environment. A java client application looks "java" like. So if you are aiming for Windows client side applications, C# is probably a better choice for the future. If you're aiming server side, and you are already "invested" in Linux/Unix server systems, Java is probably a better choice right now.

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Databases are by no means an easy product category to understand. Many of the big players now offer free or "light" versions of their databases, but comparing them all is no easy task -- as we found out.

http://www.builderau.com.au/architect/database/soa/Road_test_Four_databases_tested/0,39024547,39224962,00.htm



For many businesses, a database is the vital organ that lives, breathes, and protects precious data -- the treasured jewel of their enterprise. Everything they know, and every way to know it, is dictated by these all-powerful tools.

Even skimming the surface of their capability is a daunting prospect. To test them completely would require not only complete and established infrastructure but ways of simulating workloads, demands, data types, queries, and so on.

Because of the great diversity of database, some context is undoubtedly required. Our scenario in this comparison calls for a database solution for a relatively small e-commerce company with less than 200 employees. The company sells DVDs and books over the Internet and will initially have around 1000 customers and an online inventory of 50,000 items.

Like all companies, this one has plans for future growth and would like to see a customer base in the hundreds of thousands, and would like to diversify their inventory to the point where millions of items are available online.

The database must look after their stock, customer lists, and seamlessly integrate with their accounting system for billing and purchasing.

Initially the database must run effectively on a dual processor or four-way server but must be able to scale up to a small server farm should the demand exist.